2B or not 2B, that is the question?!

eltsacon · I have seen USofA's big balls

2B or not 2B, that is the question?!

Buttercup · Monkey Proof is Beautiful yet hideous

There is no truth to the rumor that an individual is going to be kicked out permanently. There is no truth to the rumor that forum members can vote a member out. Those are only rumors, and mean-spirited ones at that.

-- Edited by Buttercup at 18:34, 2006-03-28

eltsacon · I have seen USofA's big balls

Well, I’m glad to hear that. But that really wasn’t the question. The question was just based on the rumor. I am interested in the “take” on the principle of the question.

eltsacon · I have seen USofA's big balls

Buttercup wrote:

There is no truth to the rumor that an individual is going to be kicked out permanently. There is no truth to the rumor that forum members can vote a member out. Those are only rumors, and mean-spirited ones at that.-- Edited by Buttercup at 18:34, 2006-03-28

What? Though I disagree with the idea of it, I could still understand how it could be proposed, considering "other" acts taken!

USofAcop · Banned

E-con, perhaps we could better understand what you are saying if you would tell us WHO you are talking about.

Remember that it has now been established that anything that ends in a "?" is a personal attack. Note how I phrased the above so as to ask, but not to make it a question.

I think that if the person behind the avatar is being slandered then it is time to get the magic eraser out, or put on the big boots. Until such a time as we all know exactly who is who by name, DOB, SSN, address and place of employment how can we slander anyone?

Buttercup · Monkey Proof is Beautiful yet hideous

USofAcop wrote:

E-con, perhaps we could better understand what you are saying if you would tell us WHO you are talking about.
Remember that it has now been established that anything that ends in a "?" is a personal attack. Note how I phrased the above so as to ask, but not to make it a question.
I think that if the person behind the avatar is being slandered then it is time to get the magic eraser out, or put on the big boots. Until such a time as we all know exactly who is who by name, DOB, SSN, address and place of employment how can we slander anyone?

That is not true.

eltsacon · I have seen USofA's big balls

E-con, perhaps we could better understand what you are saying if you would tell us WHO you are talking about.

Remember that it has now been established that anything that ends in a "?" is a personal attack. Note how I phrased the above so as to ask, but not to make it a question.

I think that if the person behind the avatar is being slandered then it is time to get the magic eraser out, or put on the big boots. Until such a time as we all know exactly who is who by name, DOB, SSN, address and place of employment how can we slander anyone?

ROFLMAO,,,,, DICK!

-- Edited by eltsacon at 12:00, 2006-03-29

KatScratch · Bad kitty....in the best possible way

OK...I will post my opinion, even though I doubt anyone will like it.....

I don't think it should be a decision based on "the membership's" opinion. Any decision on what to edit or who to kick is, and should only be, up to the mods. There are simple rules to follow (that have been complicated by the ignorance of others) and then there are the "unwritten" rules that any person with a few firing braincells should just know! If you question just how far or where the lines in the sand are.....ask a mod. I'm not saying to go runnin to a mod before every single post though either! But use some simple logic here, if you are pissed and your posts reflect this and rather than aiding in the resolution of the difference that started the problem in the first place, only make things worse???? Than I might suggest you take it to PM instead of on the open forum. Your problem is a one on one thing, not a public opinion poll! By now I would think that peeps can see the mods have allowed a certain amount of "grace" when people rub each other wrong and confrontation arises. Atleast I would hope I'm not the only one that can see this????

There is a "one on one" section, use that instead of highjacking a thread for your "lengthy war". And yes, I know that creates the car wreck scenario where everyone has to watch and feels compelled to respond with their opinions as well, but usually more than one person is jaded by the problem anyway. In that case, the One on One section turns into a group against one's recent behavior/attitude. Which in some cases has definately revealed some "true colors" so to speak, but rarely solved the personal differences at all? But it is direct and lets the person know where you stand and what you think! Where is the harm in being bluntly honest? Where do the mods draw the line when it gets to that point? I don't know, maybe they should just let them duke it out in the one on one section? But I am sure as they try to let nature run it's course, their PM box gets filled with messages from people not even involved in the arguement (and probably even some who are involved). You are asking the mods to intervein....why? For the safety of the forum? Not likely. Because you are tired of reading it? Most likely. But my question to you is....But then, why are you reading it if you aren't and don't choose to be directly involved?

USofAcop · Banned

Buttercup wrote:

USofAcop wrote: E-con, perhaps we could better understand what you are saying if you would tell us WHO you are talking about. Remember that it has now been established that anything that ends in a "?" is a personal attack. Note how I phrased the above so as to ask, but not to make it a question. I think that if the person behind the avatar is being slandered then it is time to get the magic eraser out, or put on the big boots. Until such a time as we all know exactly who is who by name, DOB, SSN, address and place of employment how can we slander anyone? That is not true.

BC, it is true. PCW established that standard

eltsacon · I have seen USofA's big balls

KatScratch wrote:

OK...I will post my opinion, even though I doubt anyone will like it..... I don't think it should be a decision based on "the membership's" opinion. Any decision on what to edit or who to kick is, and should only be, up to the mods. There are simple rules to follow (that have been complicated by the ignorance of others) and then there are the "unwritten" rules that any person with a few firing braincells should just know! If you question just how far or where the lines in the sand are.....ask a mod. I'm not saying to go runnin to a mod before every single post though either! But use some simple logic here, if you are pissed and your posts reflect this and rather than aiding in the resolution of the difference that started the problem in the first place, only make things worse???? Than I might suggest you take it to PM instead of on the open forum. Your problem is a one on one thing, not a public opinion poll! By now I would think that peeps can see the mods have allowed a certain amount of "grace" when people rub each other wrong and confrontation arises. Atleast I would hope I'm not the only one that can see this???? There is a "one on one" section, use that instead of highjacking a thread for your "lengthy war". And yes, I know that creates the car wreck scenario where everyone has to watch and feels compelled to respond with their opinions as well, but usually more than one person is jaded by the problem anyway. In that case, the One on One section turns into a group against one's recent behavior/attitude. Which in some cases has definately revealed some "true colors" so to speak, but rarely solved the personal differences at all? But it is direct and lets the person know where you stand and what you think! Where is the harm in being bluntly honest? Where do the mods draw the line when it gets to that point? I don't know, maybe they should just let them duke it out in the one on one section? But I am sure as they try to let nature run it's course, their PM box gets filled with messages from people not even involved in the arguement (and probably even some who are involved). You are asking the mods to intervein....why? For the safety of the forum? Not likely. Because you are tired of reading it? Most likely. But my question to you is....But then, why are you reading it if you aren't and don't choose to be directly involved?

OK, that makes sense. My question, based on that is, "If all the problems about who is allow to say what is mostly based, or enforced on the amount of PM's to the mods, (who clearly are sick of a certain amount of it), then why not put sticker rules on pm's to the mods rather then trying to doctorate all the OPEN forum topics, discussions and the manner in which they are carried out?" It's bad enough the mods play along in most threads until a topic get heated, and/or controversial. At which point, (from what I can tell), they stay out of because they feel they can’t “police” and participate at the same time. Which I happen to think is horseshit to begin with. (another subject)

Zombie · seductively evil

eltsacon wrote:

Well, it’s clear that banning is not outside box around here anymore but I heard a rumor as I came back that concerned me and I wish to just say something. It was said that a member is/was being considered to be kicked permanently from this forum. (And this person wasn’t me to be kick, this time) Now, personally I have come to really despise this member not for the little things, but because of the entire essences of who he is and what he is all about. However, I just can’t say kicking a member out because he is an asshole, is the correct action. ON THE OTHER HAND, letting an asshole BE an asshole without allowing to be pointed out is equally incorrect. If a person manipulates situations and/or people to some how, in some twisted messed up thinking, get an incorrect point across. I think it should be pointed out. Period! Where this whole theory seems to fall apart is if the ‘asshole’ knows how to use the system to his favor. Sure, that’s part of life, but if the only way to expose the manipulation is to make the (points) that “ALSO” fit the definition of a personal attack, should it still not be done? Curious as to what is thought on this.

In one of your posts I read you said you were attacking zap. Mods tell me if I'm wrong but that's got to be one of the definitions unless you guys didn't see that. If you didn't see it then I also want to know the definitions.

Plush · Make believe Slutty Zombie/Official TOP Drama Queen

If everyone would show just a little bit of respect and quit bashing people, we would not be having this discussion. Is it really that hard to just be nice?

eltsacon · I have seen USofA's big balls

Zombie wrote:
In one of your posts I read you said you were attacking zap. Mods tell me if I'm wrong but that's got to be one of the definitions unless you guys didn't see that. If you didn't see it then I also want to know the definitions.

First, yes I was. Thus the "but if the only way to expose the manipulation is to make the (points) that “ALSO” fit the definition of a personal attack, should it still not be done?" It should be noted that I was responding to the post from him that stated I was a lyer. Which seems very funny now since the "wireless internet" thread clearly showed that I was not. And thus he was full of shit, (big surprise). But in the end, the ban went through because of "but if the only way to expose the manipulation is to make the (points) that “ALSO” fit the definition of a personal attack". AND THUS, my question?

KatScratch · Bad kitty....in the best possible way

Zombie wrote:

In one of your posts I read you said you were attacking zap. Mods tell me if I'm wrong but that's got to be one of the definitions unless you guys didn't see that. If you didn't see it then I also want to know the definitions.

Yes, E-con did admit to attacking Zap at some point, after the shit was already flying and the attacks were coming from both sides. If they want to smack each other around and speak their mind of, about, and to each other.....they have that right. It was a personal disagreement with a person (i.e. personal attack)....where's USofA with his little dictionary??? lmao

But where it gets "foggy" is when others who share the same problem/opinion jump in and then the person complains because he is being "ganged up on"..... Does that mean that anyone with a problem with someone else has to take a turn to address the same shit???? dunno the answer to that....it's a quagmar of sorts that unfortunately the mods have been left to figure out instead of peeps just dealing with their own actions! You are who you are and if you aren't up to defending that or dealing with the fact that not everyone is a sheep and willing to share your exact opinion, then maybe you have bigger issues to address yourself?!?!

eltsacon · I have seen USofA's big balls

plushleather wrote:

If everyone would show just a little bit of respect and quit bashing people, we would not be having this discussion. Is it really that hard to just be nice?

Can be. But in some cases, no. If you read some of your own post in different thread you will find that you yourself, under the right conditions, have stepped outside the "nice" box. Were you wrong? I don't think so. In a few occasions you were either provoked, or you just totally disagreed and wanted to get your point across. Which is exactly how I took it. I guess I just don't posses the part of the brain that instantly thinks, "that might break a rule somewhere,, o mod,,, o mod..." See my point?

Bread Styx · Bad Bread!!

I only have one question....what the heck happened while I was gone and why cant I read any of my messages or see Butter cup or elstacons avatar.

OK, that was 3 questions........just answer them....I am stressed out.....about things ....

Zombie · seductively evil

eltsacon wrote:

Zombie wrote: In one of your posts I read you said you were attacking zap. Mods tell me if I'm wrong but that's got to be one of the definitions unless you guys didn't see that. If you didn't see it then I also want to know the definitions. First, yes I was. Thus the "but if the only way to expose the manipulation is to make the (points) that “ALSO” fit the definition of a personal attack, should it still not be done?" It should be noted that I was responding to the post from him that stated I was a lyer. Which seems very funny now since the "wireless internet" thread clearly showed that I was not. And thus he was full of shit, (big surprise). But in the end, the ban went through because of "but if the only way to expose the manipulation is to make the (points) that “ALSO” fit the definition of a personal attack". AND THUS, my question?

You sound just like him

KatScratch · Bad kitty....in the best possible way

Bread Styx wrote:

I only have one question....what the heck happened while I was gone and why cant I read any of my messages or see Butter cup or elstacons avatar. OK, that was 3 questions........just answer them....I am stressed out.....about things ....

1.) Long story short....shit hit the fan and E-con got a 3 day vacation, but he's back. 2.) I don't think Buttercup has an AV at this time. 3.) there are "technical difficulties w/the TOP server and some pages you have to try multiple times until they come up and some pages only parts come up...it's a glitch, but it is being looked into......All better Bread?????

Just find you're happy place and breath....it's not you, it's just the server!....LOL

eltsacon · I have seen USofA's big balls

Zombie wrote:

You sound just like him

Them there are fighting words!! LOL (Red alert,,,, Red alert,,,, personal attack,,,personal attack....) ROFLMAO

But I see your point.

Buttercup · Monkey Proof is Beautiful yet hideous

I'm stepping out of mod mode here for a moment.

The sad truth of the matter, Plush, is that most people aren't nice and choose not to respect others. Additionally, this is an internet forum where people can be whatever they want. Some people have internet identities that are true to their personalities, some use forums like this to unleash that part of their personality that they are reluctant or unable to in reality. With this being a relatively unrestricted forum, there's ALMOST no limit on what can be said to another individual, whether good or bad. This is a free forum, no one is paying admission for its use. Yes, some of us have made donations to get rid of the ads and the language filters, but no financial donation is required to use the forum and it would continue to exist without anyone paying a dime. While I'd hate to see people leave under less than amicable circumstances, if anyone dislikes it so intensely I wonder why they keep coming back.

Back in mod mode (to Eltsacon):

As for the mods participating in the forums, the moderators here aren't in some ivory tower and should not be viewed as such. Yes, collectively we get a lot of PM's expressing a variety of opinions on what we should and should not be doing. Reading and responding to them, the name-calling, being told that we don't know what we're doing, handling all of that and more are part of our responsibility to Photo and the forum members and what we accepted when we agreed to be moderators. We are going to participate in the threads, whether they're "heated" or not, and if the interpretation is that we withdraw at a certain point, well, that's your opinion. I respect your right to have an opinion different than that of mine, whether I agree with you or not.

-- Edited by Buttercup at 12:59, 2006-03-29

Plush · Make believe Slutty Zombie/Official TOP Drama Queen

eltsacon wrote:

plushleather wrote:
If everyone would show just a little bit of respect and quit bashing people, we would not be having this discussion. Is it really that hard to just be nice?

Can be. But in some cases, no. If you read some of your own post in different thread you will find that you yourself, under the right conditions, have stepped outside the "nice" box. Were you wrong? I don't think so. In a few occasions you were either provoked, or you just totally disagreed and wanted to get your point across. Which is exactly how I took it. I guess I just don't posses the part of the brain that instantly thinks, "that might break a rule somewhere,, o mod,,, o mod..." See my point?

In responce to that, I have only had 2 people in here ever make me rethink my words. And that was because they tried to make me feel I was unintelligent. I did not cry to mods and feel i dealt with it okay. I said a few stupid things and felt a little dumb. At that time I was new. Now I am not. I now ignore it. I am really kind of lost at the point of this thread, and no i am not dumb. Just thought I would voice my opinion. Skip it if you do not care. And maybe some people could think about trying to do the same thing. There have been [lenty of comments i disagree with on here so i skip them. I think the mods do one hell of a job around here. And they should not have to babysit and police every thread. The rules are in place but i think common sense is the number one rule.

eltsacon · I have seen USofA's big balls

plushleather wrote:
In responce to that, I have only had 2 people in here ever make me rethink my words. And that was because they tried to make me feel I was unintelligent. I did not cry to mods and feel i dealt with it okay. I said a few stupid things and felt a little dumb. At that time I was new. Now I am not. I now ignore it. I am really kind of lost at the point of this thread, and no i am not dumb. Just thought I would voice my opinion. Skip it if you do not care. And maybe some people could think about trying to do the same thing. There have been [lenty of comments i disagree with on here so i skip them. I think the mods do one hell of a job around here. And they should not have to babysit and police every thread. The rules are in place but i think common sense is the number one rule.

ok, I respect that, and the way you put it. I feel I should point out one thing though. You stated (what I have in bold) above. Seems to me, whoever those 2 were, and whatever it is they said or did that made you rethink, is probably the whole reason as to why they did/said, what they did. Yes? It might have not have changed your mind in the end, but believe me, most people ARE dumb. Not saying you're one, but in general, they are. And in many cases the only way to get someone to get out of dumb mode is to piss them off. (On the other hand, some people like my friend USofA gets more stupid when he gets pissed off, LOL) If that isn't nice and fluffy, I'm sorry, I didn't design the thing. LOL

Monkey Proof · Buttercup is awesomesexycool and smelly too.

im sorry but i cant seem to stop rubbing my eyes..maybe i just need my glasses

and no, my above comment is in no way meant to be negative in any way

eltsacon · I have seen USofA's big balls

Buttercup wrote:

We are going to participate in the threads, whether they're "heated" or not, and if the interpretation is that we withdraw at a certain point, well, that's your opinion. I respect your right to have an opinion different than that of mine, whether I agree with you or not. -- Edited by Buttercup at 12:59, 2006-03-29

Good god! Butter,,,, say this with me... "E-con, about us withdrawing, you're wrong!"

And now I know! LOL

But it sure seemed that way. BUT now that I have a little IN----FOOOOO, I know,,,,, BETTER! :) Constructed criticism does work. (Don't worry, I have information that says you're safe no matter what you say.......LOL shhhhh)

eltsacon · I have seen USofA's big balls

MP_handler wrote:

im sorry but i cant seem to stop rubbing my eyes..maybe i just need my glasses and no, my above comment is in no way meant to be negative in any way

I get the same effect with you're fucking pink!!!! LOL

Monkey Proof · Buttercup is awesomesexycool and smelly too.

it suits me just fine...it highlights my cheek bones tyvm

eltsacon · I have seen USofA's big balls

LOL, I believe you believe ... ... ... LOL

texaschickeee · Seductively Sassy

I just got back yesterday, but found this today. I had the same question that bread did...what happend.

Kat thanks for the answer.

heres my two cents ....(along the lines of plush..why is it so hard to be nice)

people, this is a fun forum

if you dont like others, leave them be. if you dont like it here...BYE BYE, dont click it and come in. In real life you pick and choose what you do, where you go and with whom you hang out with. You have the same right here. I really dont know what or how the crap went down..AND DONT CARE.....leave if you dont like it.

gets off her soap box

-- Edited by texaschickeee at 16:36, 2006-03-31

KatScratch · Bad kitty....in the best possible way

Texas....couldn't say it any better myself.....this is a fun forum, so laugh and have fun. And like you said also, in life (outside the forum) you can choose with whom, etc......indeed, but as in life...sometimes shit happens and then you grow and get over it, maybe even laugh about it later.....can't that apply here as well? I think too many people are afraid to laugh around here, it's a shame cause I laugh all the time!

texaschickeee · Seductively Sassy

yep, shit happends all over...even on the internet. (its almost a s scary as people thinking that lies are started on the internet)

I'm wiht you..grow up.

PS...like the garfeild. its sparkly.