A Message from the ASPCA

entre new · Et tu, Brute?

A Message from the ASPCA

Stacy · Crazy Bitch!!

The thing that pisses me off is that Wyeth (drug company) gave all of the ranchers with cancelled contracts money to support the horses and find them good homes rather than sell them all to the killers.

I LOVE my two PMU kids, although there was never a chance that they would go to auction. I bought them from a farm that sells all the foals or keeps them. Its frustrating that the bad farms are giving the good ones such a black eye too.

entre new · Et tu, Brute?

Stacy wrote:

The thing that pisses me off is that Wyeth (drug company) gave all of the ranchers with cancelled contracts money to support the horses and find them good homes rather than sell them all to the killers.

Wow, I didn't know that.

I really give you credit for adopting PMU horses. I'm disgusted by the whole idea of animals being confined the way those poor horses are, and then when they're no longer needed they never get a chance to live a decent life. It really breaks my heart.

Stacy · Crazy Bitch!!

Yeah, there is a lot of anti PMU propaganda out there so its frustrating when people get misinfomation.

Here is a good website
http://www.naeric.org/

Cancade Farms, where I got my two from really care about the horses. The welcome visitors at all times, even when the collection is happening. The horses do get to move around and its not as bad as some of the publicity.

Most of the BAD farms that were cruel and did not look into the best interest of the horses contracts were not renewed. The farms currently operating actually have to have a higher standard of care than any other type of operation.

One of my friends adopted a Cancade foal two years before my first one. She loves him so much she emailed the Cancades asking them for first option to buy his mom when she retired. Lloyd Cancade said no, they really liked the mare and she would live out the rest of her life on his farm after she was done having foals.
They are the good farms that ASPCA and other groups don't want people hearing about.

KatScratch · Bad kitty....in the best possible way

Thanks for the site Entre! I am searching it now.....I know what I want for Christmas!!!!!

And they deliver!

KatScratch · Bad kitty....in the best possible way

OK...I don't know how many peeps here are horse savy but I was looking into that site and FUCK!!!!! There are racing legends that are being sent to their death up there in fucking Canada!!! WTF!!!!!!

I don't know if anyone here knows Seattle Slew, but this amazing racing legend (that I saw race) has a granddaughter being sold, CHEAP! If not claimed, this piece of horse history will end up on some assholes dinner plate or bag of dog food. A mare, a breedable mare!!!???? I also looked up a few other blood lines and found a 6th gen. Man O' War decendant(s)!!!! WTF!!!????

This makes me want to puke....this is American racing history and it's being turned into food in Canada!

Stacy · Crazy Bitch!!

My two PMU foals have really good racing bloodlines on the sire (father's) side. Thats one of the things NAERIC did was research more ways to make the foals more marketable. The Cancades now have all but one stallion that are nicely bred TB's.
http://www.cancadefarms.com/

Not all of the horses on that site are going to slaughter. Look at some of the prices on them, they are selling them. I am not saying the ones that are near the deadline don't are not going to go, but almost all of the time the decently bred PMU foals do not end up at slaughter.

Although, as far as I am concerned it doesn't matter how the horse is bred, there shouldn't be foals and pets ending up at slaughter.

I am sorry but this topic is near and dear to my heart. I hate misinformation getting out about the industry. Although it was bad at one time, they are really working on cleaning it up and not all the farms were always bad. Most of those are the ones that got contracts renewed.

KatScratch · Bad kitty....in the best possible way

I worked at a national horse publication and I know all about PMU farming, over breeding, and "throw away" horses/foals. It's discusting and I wish the animals would turn on the humans and kick thier ass! A 1300+ pound horse can end a human hands down!

What I don't understand is how bloodlines of a certain calibur are ending up in Canada when they have all but disappeared in the USA?????? And trust me, for every one horse saved 50 end up at meat auctions!

If only we could give the same treatment to humans who are considered "worthless", too old, injurred, or overbred....then maybe, just maybe people would understand the delemma that stands in the horse industry! It sickens me when a horse owner breeds a mare just because they can, with no real knowledge or research into the bloodlines or anything and then they think they will make big bucks sellin the foal and when they find out that it just isn't so....they neglect or dump that animal off at the local meat auction....FUCKERS!!!!!!!!!!!!

Stacy · Crazy Bitch!!

The Horse had a good article about changed in the PMU industry recently. The farm I got my kids from is one of the featured farms.

I found an appy foal that I am in love with on that site. All chromed out and a cute little blanket also. Too bad the link does not work to find out more about him.

I do not need another horse... I do not need another horse.

entre new · Et tu, Brute?

Kat, it would be wonderful if you could adopt a foal! I'm keeping my fingers crossd that everything works out for you. Please keep us posted.

Stacy, after reading the website I feel a little better, but I look at it as possible propaganda as well as what the animal rights organizations put out. For instance,

What happens to the foals bred on equine ranches?
Foals bred on equine ranches are sold each year for a variety of purposes such as recreation, ranching, shows, and other competitions, and some remain on ranches as replacement broodmares.

A variety of reasons can include slaughter, but of course they stress the more positive possibilites.

Ultimately, they're producing baby horses en masse, the majority of which may never find homes. (Not sure of the stats on that. It's just my assumption.) As Kat said, if we could give the same treatment to humans, maybe people would understand.

I used to volunteer for an organization that taught riding to handicapped children. We got calls on almost a daily basis from people wanting to donate well-bred, well-trained horses that they could no longer afford to take care of. We could only take a tiny fraction of them, and you can imagine what happened to the rest. It's sad that more are being born when our society can't even take care of the ones we already have.

It's the same with cats and dogs. I have a tortoiseshell Persian who probably sold for $1500 dollars originally, but later was turned out to fend for herself because she has severe spinal disk disease. But I'm sure it was no problem for the owners, because there's always a new kitten available.

Anyway, I guess I'm just venting more than anything else. I hate the way humans treat animals.

entre new · Et tu, Brute?

Stacy wrote:

I do not need another horse... I do not need another horse.

Yes you do, yes you do.

KatScratch · Bad kitty....in the best possible way

entre new wrote:

Kat, it would be wonderful if you could adopt a foal! I'm keeping my fingers crossd that everything works out for you. Please keep us posted.

At the breeding farm I used to work at, I saved an older broodmare who could no longer be "useful" (owner's words, not mine). She was only 16 at the time and had been a broodmare since she was 2. The owner was going to take her to the local auction (meat auction) and get what she could. I refused to load her in the trailor, drive her, etc. Instead i loaded her and drove her to my farm where she has been living out her retirement for almost 12 years! She is fat, frumpy and loves attention!!! And when her time comes, she will be burried with the rest of my horses in the back 40. I DO NOT sell the older horses, I keep them all their lives!

Stacy, after reading the website I feel a little better, but I look at it as possible propaganda as well as what the animal rights organizations put out. For instance,

What happens to the foals bred on equine ranches?
Foals bred on equine ranches are sold each year for a variety of purposes such as recreation, ranching, shows, and other competitions, and some remain on ranches as replacement broodmares.

Overbreeding is a huge problem in the US. Even those that are breeding and showing in class "A" breed shows/Futurity stakes are breeding their mares every year hoping for that million dollar baby that may never come. Most know in the first 6 months whether they want to be "bothered" or not with the foal as a show prospect and then they try to sell, sell, sell and if they are lucky (an the market is good) they will get their $$$ worth, otherwise they look for auctions. Anything goes at most auctions and meat dealers are ALWAYS there. There are quality auctions out there where horses of great pedigree go for top dollar, but that isn't where the majority end up!

Most horse owners also don't want the responsibility of an "elderly" horse so they dump them when they are 15-16 years old! (Most horses under good care can live up to or past 30-35 years). I have run the Quarter Horse circuit, the Arab circuit, and the Morgan circuit and they are all full of money hungry assholes....some far worse than others!

entre new · Et tu, Brute?

You've obviously seen more of the horse world than I have, Kat, and it sounds like some disgusting stuff goes on. I really give you credit for being willing to give an older animal a home. A lot of people talk about how bad the situation is, but they're not willing to help if it takes some effort or expense on their part.

woodbutcher · Giggidy, giggidy, gig-gi-dy!

entre new wrote:

You've obviously seen more of the horse world than I have, Kat, and it sounds like some disgusting stuff goes on. I really give you credit for being willing to give an older animal a home. A lot of people talk about how bad the situation is, but they're not willing to help if it takes some effort or expense on their part.

Kat has a soft spot in there somewhere for cats and horses

USofGay · I feel entitled, so answer me darnit

I say send the excess to slaughter. Do it for the kids.

KatScratch · Bad kitty....in the best possible way

USofAcop wrote:

I say send the excess to slaughter. Do it for the kids.

ASSHOLE....STFU.....Drama is in other sections just waiting for you I'm sure....

KatScratch · Bad kitty....in the best possible way

entre new wrote:

You've obviously seen more of the horse world than I have, Kat, and it sounds like some disgusting stuff goes on. I really give you credit for being willing to give an older animal a home. A lot of people talk about how bad the situation is, but they're not willing to help if it takes some effort or expense on their part.

36 years and counting and I have had numerous retiree's that I have burried in the back 40 that have served their 30+ years on this planet. I love them, they are beautiful creatures and unfortunately they suffer at the hands of humans way too often. The horse world is much like everything else...corrupted and ugly just below the surface.....

USofGay · I feel entitled, so answer me darnit

KatScratch wrote:

USofAcop wrote:

I say send the excess to slaughter. Do it for the kids.

ASSHOLE....STFU.....Drama is in other sections just waiting for you I'm sure....

Well what will all the little school children do without glue??? Do it for the kids.

Peaches · Peachy

KatScratch wrote:

36 years and counting and I have had numerous retiree's that I have burried in the back 40 that have served their 30+ years on this planet. I love them, they are beautiful creatures and unfortunately they suffer at the hands of humans way too often. The horse world is much like everything else...corrupted and ugly just below the surface.....

I really appreciate that you have adopted many older horses, they deserve to have a good ending in their lives. Horses, well most all animals are something that I respect and truly love. I used to adopt/foster horses and find them good homes, now I do not have the land to keep any more than I own long term. Horses are great animals, intelligent, and usually willing to please, for me they give much more than they take.

I still have my old horse, she is somewhere around thirty, I've had her twenty years. I've had some horse idiots that I know ask me "why don't you get rid of that old nag?" Boy, do they get a mouth full from me. She is old, but not worthless, she still gives me all that she can and I want to give her everything that I can, she deserves it.

I can never understand the way people are so uncaring and insensitive when it comes to horses or other pets, when they are mine they are mine for life. One thing that I can say for sure is that I have never mistreated any pet and that I truly hate people that do. There are no words that are awful enough to describe my feelings for them.

USofGay · I feel entitled, so answer me darnit

Peaches wrote:

KatScratch wrote:

36 years and counting and I have had numerous retiree's that I have burried in the back 40 that have served their 30+ years on this planet. I love them, they are beautiful creatures and unfortunately they suffer at the hands of humans way too often. The horse world is much like everything else...corrupted and ugly just below the surface.....

I really appreciate that you have adopted many older horses, they deserve to have a good ending in their lives. Horses, well most all animals are something that I respect and truly love. I used to adopt/foster horses and find them good homes, now I do not have the land to keep any more than I own long term. Horses are great animals, intelligent, and usually willing to please, for me they give much more than they take.

I still have my old horse, she is somewhere around thirty, I've had her twenty years. I've had some horse idiots that I know ask me "why don't you get rid of that old nag?" Boy, do they get a mouth full from me. She is old, but not worthless, she still gives me all that she can and I want to give her everything that I can, she deserves it.

I can never understand the way people are so uncaring and insensitive when it comes to horses or other pets, when they are mine they are mine for life. One thing that I can say for sure is that I have never mistreated any pet and that I truly hate people that do. There are no words that are awful enough to describe my feelings for them.

Who are you talking about?

Peaches · Peachy

USofAcop wrote:

Peaches wrote:

I can never understand the way people are so uncaring and insensitive when it comes to horses or other pets, when they are mine they are mine for life. One thing that I can say for sure is that I have never mistreated any pet and that I truly hate people that do. There are no words that are awful enough to describe my feelings for them.

Who are you talking about?

Did you think that I was talking about you? No I don't think so.

I am talking about the people who think that it is alright to mistreat pets/animals, who think that pets are throw away, you know the ones who only keep their pets as long as it serves their purposes. Or the people who get a pet then ignore it, or don't care for it. Or the ones who actually physically abuse their pets. And you can throw in most pet breeders also. Those people.

USofGay · I feel entitled, so answer me darnit

Peaches wrote:

USofAcop wrote:

Peaches wrote:

I can never understand the way people are so uncaring and insensitive when it comes to horses or other pets, when they are mine they are mine for life. One thing that I can say for sure is that I have never mistreated any pet and that I truly hate people that do. There are no words that are awful enough to describe my feelings for them.

Who are you talking about?

Did you think that I was talking about you? No I don't think so.

I am talking about the people who think that it is alright to mistreat pets/animals, who think that pets are throw away, you know the ones who only keep their pets as long as it serves their purposes. Or the people who get a pet then ignore it, or don't care for it. Or the ones who actually physically abuse their pets. And you can throw in most pet breeders also. Those people.

Oh OK, just making sure that you were talking about SU/IO, and not me.

eltsacon · I have seen USofA's big balls

I just want to take a moment to thank you EN for causing another chapter of misery in my life!

So in two days the federal government is thinking of putting a express way in from the Canadian boarder to my house with the number of horse deliveries coming!!!! LOL

Like I don't have to put up with enough "horseshit" in here! LOL

-- Edited by eltsacon at 07:11, 2006-11-23

KatScratch · Bad kitty....in the best possible way

eltsacon wrote:

I just want to take a moment to thank you EN for causing another chapter of misery in my life!

So in two days the federal government is thinking of putting a express way in from the Canadian boarder to my house with the number of horse deliveries coming!!!! LOL

Like I don't have to put up with enough "horseshit" in here! LOL

-- Edited by eltsacon at 07:11, 2006-11-23

.... Well atleast the horses are cheaper than the kids?

texaschickeee · Seductively Sassy

She has a point Econ.

Also, the horse dont talk back. (yes they can act out and step on you, but..minmal, more love then anything.)

The only thing i can toos in here is altho I dont have horses, (I would love one)

I can say the SPCA is at least a lot EASIER to deal with then some of these resuce missions here.

I went to the resuce german shepard houson program, and they are at of this world with the requirements to just ADOPT a resuce animal.

I go to the SPCA, save a babe and get a great dog, minus all the freaking headaches.

I want a shepard.

heres the link http://www.gsdrescuehouston.org/adopt/policies.htm

the want referances, want to talk to my job, and want a home visit.

thts a little much to someone I dont know..........

-- Edited by texaschickeee at 09:18, 2006-11-23

KatScratch · Bad kitty....in the best possible way

USofAcop wrote:

Well what will all the little school children do without glue??? Do it for the kids.

Ass! Don't make me lay a hurtin on your butt-munchin ass!!!!!

USofGay · I feel entitled, so answer me darnit

Too bad they aren't adopting out sheep, I hear Toby is in the market for a new roommate!

entre new · Et tu, Brute?

eltsacon wrote:

I just want to take a moment to thank you EN for causing another chapter of misery in my life!

So in two days the federal government is thinking of putting a express way in from the Canadian boarder to my house with the number of horse deliveries coming!!!! LOL

Like I don't have to put up with enough "horseshit" in here! LOL

-- Edited by eltsacon at 07:11, 2006-11-23

Sorry, Econ, but I'm so happy Kat is doing this that I can't feel sorry for you.

This is just too exciting. I feel like I'm getting the horses myself. I will want pics, pics, pics!!

KatScratch · Bad kitty....in the best possible way

LOL...I am "working on" getting a draft mare that is bred for next season...2 for the price of one!

And If I can get more.....well.......

.......E-con loves me, he won't really mind....

Peaches · Peachy

KatScratch wrote:

LOL...I am "working on" getting a draft mare that is bred for next season...2 for the price of one! And If I can get more.....well..............E-con loves me, he won't really mind....

Lucky you. I am very happy for you. Hope you can get as many as you want, wish that I could.