Abortion

Date: Mar 19, 2006

Abortion

Easy Eman · Mr. Cool

WOW, can it really be a SERIOUS question for the Other Placers to cointemplate.

Is there some way we can post anonymously? I have my opionons..

Plush · Make believe Slutty Zombie/Official TOP Drama Queen

Easy Eman wrote:

WOW, can it really be a SERIOUS question for the Other Placers to cointemplate.
Is there some way we can post anonymously? I have my opionons..

I don't dare. These hounds will be all over me.

Plush · Make believe Slutty Zombie/Official TOP Drama Queen

Ok but I can't resist. I think it is totally her choice and she needs to look at the big picture. I don't know the details but from what i can gather, she is in it up to her ass and I feel for her. That is a tough decision. Is she going to be able to provide? Cause I think if she could have the child and make it, she should. The joy she would get would be worth any sacrafice she makes. I say this cause I am a parent and my kids are the greatest joy's in my life. And I was in her situation a little earlier than 22 and I am glad now (10 years later) that i made the ones I did.

Date: Mar 19, 2006

Easy Eman wrote:

WOW, can it really be a SERIOUS question for the Other Placers to cointemplate. Is there some way we can post anonymously? I have my opionons..

PM me, E. I gave her my mobile number to call me if she needed to talk. Like I said, I am against abortion. I feel like she put me in the spot light to save her life. I'm glad she felt comfortable enough to open up to me but I need to help her make the right choice for her.

KatScratch · Bad kitty....in the best possible way

I'm not shy....

I don't agree with abortion being used as birth control. I think there are very few options that warrant the consideration of an abortion 1.) Rape/incest, 2.) major (life threatening) birth defects, or 3.) If the woman is at serious (life threatening) risk to carry the child.

The fact that she looked at her situation and said "oops", maybe I should get an abortion.....that's just wrong to me and shows a serious lack of responsibility on her part to begin with! If she didn't take proper steps to cover her own butt before she slept with him, she needs to grow up now and do the right thing! She can carry and keep or carry and put it up for adoption, but to kill the child because she had a lapse in responsibility/judgement....I think that's wrong!

zap · texaschickeee translator

I am in agreement with the replies thus far. If she doesn't want to keep the baby...there are certainly those who would be happy to adopt it at birth and maybe even take care of her medically during her pregnancy.

Abortion as a form of birth control is simply wrong in my opinion.

SB · ohh, canada

Abortion is a huge thing. The person having one is ending a life. I also think that it is 100% the choice of the woman, but there are many things to take into consideration.

At 22 her life will change forever!!!! And maybe not for the better! She may have a healthy baby, but there are no garuantees. She will be forever tried a guy she may not want to have a relationship of any sort with. How will support herself and her child? Has she finished school? Will she have help with from her parents? And what kind of life will she give that child? Is she emotionally capable of being a parent?

And those are just the easy questions!!

I'm on Pat Leave with a month and half left before I go back to work and this baby has nearly killed us. She had brutal collic and has been in the hosipital for a respitory virus. I couldn't imagine what it would have been like if she had any serious health issues.

Parenting is the toughest job you're supposed to love, but I couldn't imagine it at 22 and single. I still look at most 22yr olds as kids themselves! (sorry)

USofAcop · Banned

Flush it.

kansas · Stinky

KatScratch wrote:

I'm not shy.... I don't agree with abortion being used as birth control. I think there are very few options that warrant the consideration of an abortion 1.) Rape/incest, 2.) major (life threatening) birth defects, or 3.) If the woman is at serious (life threatening) risk to carry the child.

I think Kat's view is pretty on target for me. Either way she has to make the choice and then live with it and should not be legally/physically (like some groups would love to see happen) forced one way or the other.

entre new · Et tu, Brute?

umtkny wrote:

However, speaking for myself, only under one circumstance I would consider abortion. And that is if I were raped by a stranger.

I may be fanatical, but I don't think I'd even consider it under those circumstances. It would still be my child. I know what they say about it not being a person yet, but I remember loving my child and feeling protective of him from the second I knew I was pregnant.

When I was single and pregnant, I was at first willing to have an abortion because everyone told me it was the best thing to do for everyone involved, including the child. But when I look at my son, who is a beautiful, intelligent, and unbelieveably sensitive and caring person, I'm glad I had him, even with all the difficulties we've been through. Needless to say, he's glad too.

-- Edited by entre new at 23:08, 2006-03-19

kansas · Stinky

I am glad all worked out for you entre. I do think though that when it comes to rape the woman should have the choice. I am more than aware of the opposite position but the trauma of being pregnant from such a violent act can have serious psychological effects that not all rape victims can rise above.

Monkey Proof · Buttercup is awesomesexycool and smelly too.

USofAcop wrote:

Flush it.

hmm..that’s an expected reply coming from you. This topic was created as a serious discussion and you make a statement such as that. If you cannot contribute anything productive in this discussion then stay out.

SlowDownThere · usda prime

USofAcop wrote:

Flush it.

Holy shit the bed. I can't believe you said that. This is far too important a decision to answer with just six letters.

I understand that abortion is legally a womens right, and I'm not suggesting that it be changed. But holy crow, this is huge. I don't know how a woman could do it. I couldn't. I don't even like kids, and I couldn't.

Have the baby, give him/her to me. They will be taken care of.

Plush · Make believe Slutty Zombie/Official TOP Drama Queen

SlowDownThere wrote:

USofAcop wrote:
Flush it.

Holy shit the bed. I can't believe you said that. This is far too important a decision to answer with just six letters.

I understand that abortion is legally a womens right, and I'm not suggesting that it be changed. But holy crow, this is huge. I don't know how a woman could do it. I couldn't. I don't even like kids, and I couldn't.

Have the baby, give him/her to me. They will be taken care of.

That is the nicest thing I have ever heard a person say. If you mean it, you are truely a good person.

entre new · Et tu, Brute?

kansas wrote:

I do think though that when it comes to rape the woman should have the choice.

Absolutely. The women I talk to at the hospital are always given the morning after pill, so they never have to find out if they're pregnant. I could probably handle that.

-- Edited by entre new at 00:39, 2006-03-20

SlowDownThere · usda prime

yes I meant it.

I am pro-babies. Not so much pro-life because there are plenty of murderous bastards on death row that need to die.

But babies. No freeking way.

entre new · Et tu, Brute?

SlowDownThere wrote:

But holy crow, this is huge. I don't know how a woman could do it. I couldn't. I don't even like kids, and I couldn't.
I don't think I've never heard a man express such a sentiment. I wouldn't have thought men could understand this. You're one heck of a guy, SDT. (But we already knew that.)

SlowDownThere · usda prime

entre new wrote:

SlowDownThere wrote:
But holy crow, this is huge. I don't know how a woman could do it. I couldn't. I don't even like kids, and I couldn't.
I don't think I've never heard a man express such a sentiment. I wouldn't have thought men could understand this. You're one heck of a guy, SDT. (But we already knew that.)

Entre? really? I'm surprized that you are surprized. Men love children too.

But thanks for the compliment. Really!

-- Edited by SlowDownThere at 23:31, 2006-03-19

entre new · Et tu, Brute?

Look at the recent debate about "Men's Rights". Some men think that if they tell a woman they don't want the baby that relieves them of responsibility.

There seems to be no awareness of how difficult it can be for a woman to end her child's life. In fact men don't even seem to look at it as ending a life. They seem to see it more as a good financial decision. I believe that even guys who love kids, if they faced the possibility of paying child support for 18 years, would suddenly become very pro-abortion.

Edited to add paragraph break.

-- Edited by entre new at 05:52, 2006-03-20

zap · texaschickeee translator

entre new wrote:

Well, look at the recent debate about "Men's Rights". Some men think that if they tell a woman they don't want the baby that relieves them of responsibility. There seems to be no awareness of how difficult it can be for a woman to end her child's life. In fact they don't even seem to look at it as ending a child's life. They seem to see it more as a good financial decision. I believe that even guys who love kids, if they faced the possibility of paying child support for 18 years, would suddenly become very pro-abortion.

Entire....I don't think you quite got the jist of that other discussion if that is the main point you pulled out of it.

I absolutely agree with SDT....well said Sir.

The issue is not paying or not paying support or taking care of the child. The other discussion had to do with the rights of the father to participate in the decissions during the process.

This discussion however, is only about the gal's point of view in the situation in which she finds hereself. (one which I can only try to understand) I just think as much as the guy WAS responsible...so was the mother. She knew the risk too. And, for whatever reason, it worked out this way. I believe in little circumstance...so do not believe in abortion as a form of convienience or birth control. (I do however think there are certain situations in which the mother must be given the option....because it is between her and God...it is not my place to tell her what she must do. This situation, however, just does not rise to that level in my opinion.)

entre new · Et tu, Brute?

Actually, only Some men think that if they tell a woman they don't want the baby that relieves them of responsibility was in reference to the Men's Rights thread. I should have started a new paragraph. You did seem to be supporting the subject of the article in his belief that if he chose not to have the child he shouldn't have to pay.

If a man has a 50-50 right to choose the fate of the child, and if by choosing abortion has no further responsibility, in effect he may be forcing the mother to abort. Sure she doesn't have to, but she may otherwise be choosing a life of poverty for the child, and most women believe that's wrong.

Abortion is a huge thing for a woman and may scar her for the rest of her life. I've known women who still cry over abortions they had 30 years ago. The guy isn't carrying the child and cannot imagine the emotions involved. There is no 50-50 in this situation. You yourself seem to be aware of that.

USofAcop · Banned

MP_handler wrote:

USofAcop wrote: Flush it. hmm..that’s an expected reply coming from you. This topic was created as a serious discussion and you make a statement such as that. If you cannot contribute anything productive in this discussion then stay out.

This will be the 2nd time I put this in here, some how the 1st one disappeared.

Opinions were asked for, and an opinion was given.

USofAcop · Banned

SlowDownThere wrote:

USofAcop wrote: Flush it. Holy shit the bed. I can't believe you said that. This is far too important a decision to answer with just six letters. I understand that abortion is legally a womens right, and I'm not suggesting that it be changed. But holy crow, this is huge. I don't know how a woman could do it. I couldn't. I don't even like kids, and I couldn't. Have the baby, give him/her to me. They will be taken care of.

That is why I used 7 letters.

It is not my body, it is not my decsion. It is my opinion. Further, if you are not going to give the kid up for adoption, please do not burden the welfare system with your poor planning and mistakes. Getting knocked up is not something that just falls out of the sky and happens to you.

Sorry this isn't all warm and fuzzy, sometimes the truth hurts.

entre new · Et tu, Brute?

USofAcop wrote:

please do not burden the welfare system with your poor planning and mistakes.
This is exactly what will happen if men are allowed to be free of paying child support because they say they don't want the baby. It is possible to raise a child without burdening the welfare system, especially when both the father and mother take equal responsibility.

USofAcop · Banned

It is kinda funny that I even have opinions on this. But, I am very conservative when it comes to making babies. 1 Man 1 Woman in a commited MARRIED relationship. When that goes to hell in a hand basket, then it should be 40/60 on the whole deal fo support, with the custodial parent getting the extra 10% for the labor.

I have no sympathy for people who get themselves in these situations. Any Tom, Dick or Hairy with any Jane, Sue or Betty can make babbies. It is not my responsibility to support them because of their poor planning.

entre new · Et tu, Brute?

I guess in an ideal world we would all have the willpower to avoid sex until we're married. Even then, some people would complain because they don't want to marry someone unless they know they're sexually compatible. You're lucky you don't have to worry about making babies. But what about the gay men who have AIDS? Should the public have to support them when they're disabled and pay for their medical care? Or do you say, "it is not my responsibility to support them because of their poor planning"?

cd3kd · Yummy

Good point E-New. USofAcop do you care to retort.

USofAcop · Banned

cd3kd wrote:

Good point E-New. USofAcop do you care to retort.

It is a good point, but first lets clarify that HIV/AIDS is not just a gay mans issue. Being in this boat and paying nearly $1600.00 month to stay alive, it is my responsibility that I take care of. I posted somewhere in here before that before i was HIV+ that I thought that all HIV+ persons should be branded ont he forehead for all to be on notice. Now that I am HIV+, I still believe that we should be branded, but now in less public way. OH, yes, sounds like Nazi stuff.... no it sounds like informed stuff.

BTW, the section of the population in this fine world that has the highest HIV rates is black females.

entre new · Et tu, Brute?

USofAcop wrote:

Now that I am HIV+, I still believe that we should be branded, but now in less public way.
How do you think you should be branded?