Judas

Plush · Make believe Slutty Zombie/Official TOP Drama Queen

Judas

texaschickeee · Seductively Sassy

satan was the angel cast out of heaven. He wanted the praise that God got and therefore had to go.

Judas betrayd Jesus for the money, and then felt guilty, enough so to commit suicide.

No the spirit of satan did not entire him, he did a fleshy thing thing and dealt with it in the only way he saw fit. (a life for a life)

I dont by into all this stuff about the judas gospel that was left out, and that satan ever came into any of the 12 disciples.

There is a saying that I belive tho, love the judas' in your life. Becasue with out the betrayal you dont know how god can really show you who is on your side.

Plush · Make believe Slutty Zombie/Official TOP Drama Queen

If Jesus foresees Judas' betrayal, then it may be argued that Judas has no free will, and cannot avoid betraying Jesus. If Judas cannot control his betrayal of Jesus, then he is not morally responsible for his actions.

If Judas is sent to Hell for his betrayal, and his betrayal was a necessary step in the humanity-saving death of Jesus Christ, then Judas is being punished for saving humanity. This goes hand-in-hand with the "free will" argument, and Aquinas's Summa deals with the issue of free will in demons and other beings instrumental in the life of Jesus that are nevertheless damned.

Does Jesus' plea, "Father forgive them, they know not what they do," (Luke 23:34) not apply to Judas? Is his atonement insufficient for Judas' sin(s)?

That last comment put's Jesus in my eyes to be a hypocrit. But for some reason I find it does not disturb me. I guess i never expected him not to be.

Sweet · Hooker

One of God's Graces is Free Will. He didn't have to grant us that but did so out of his Love for Us, etc....

Plush · Make believe Slutty Zombie/Official TOP Drama Queen

the treachery at the Last Supper: "When Jesus had said these things, he was troubled in spirit; and he testified, and said: Amen, amen I say to you, one of you shall betray me" (John 12:21). And when St. John himself, at Peter's request, asked who this was, "Jesus answered: He it is to whom I shall reach bread dipped. And when he had dipped the bread, he gave it to Judas Iscariot, the son of Simon. And after the morsel, Satan entered into him. And Jesus said to him: That which thou dost, do quickly.

That comment in that article was what got me. It can't be right. It must be some kind of made up story.

Buttercup · Monkey Proof is Beautiful yet hideous

Plush, here's a book recommendation for you. It is fiction, does not directly address your question and at first glance it may sound ridiculous, but it's a good read and offers an interesting perspective on events leading up to the crucifixion.

Lamb

-- Edited by Buttercup at 20:52, 2006-05-10

texaschickeee · Seductively Sassy

right.

He gives us free will to do and make choices.

He knew that he was to be betrayed, but that was also in the plan of things.

He allowed him that to show that he loved us,him even when we betray what we know to do. (things like greed and what not...thts the forgiveness that comes also)

the free will to choice and go forth. he has a plan for us, we choose to take or leave it.)

Sweet · Hooker

btw...there is no such thing as Hell. I know that this will confuse most of you, and if you would like a Bible Study session as proof we can arrange that for after my finals.

The Bible Study session what kind of a joke...sorry for any confusion.

-- Edited by Sweet Titts at 21:29, 2006-05-10

texaschickeee · Seductively Sassy

I can understnad what your saying...so Im not up for the bible study.

but I do understnad what your saying.