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Accused pastor admits he bought meth
But Haggard claims he never used drug that he bought from gay escort

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Updated: 9:54 p.m. CT Nov 3, 2006

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COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. - The Rev. Ted Haggard admitted Friday he bought methamphetamine and received a massage from a gay prostitute who claims he was paid for drug-fueled trysts by the former head of the National Association of Evangelicals.


Mike Jones, the 49-year-old Denver man who raised the allegations this week, quickly refuted Haggard’s denial.


Shortly after Haggard told reporters outside his home, "I bought it for myself but never used it. I was tempted, but I never used it,” Jones told MSNBC-TV’s Rita Cosby that Haggard snorted meth in front of him about once a month for two years.


Haggard said he received a massage from Jones after being referred to him by a Denver hotel, but Jones told MSNBC, “He always came to my place.”


Haggard, 50, said he never had sex with Jones. On Friday, as he was leaving his home with his wife and three of his five children, he said he bought the meth because he was curious.


Haggard stepped down as president of the 30 million-member association Thursday and also gave up leadership of his 14,000-member New Life Church pending the investigation into allegations he had sex with Jones over the past three years.


"It is important for you to know that he confessed to the overseers that some of the accusations against him are true,” Ross Parsley, the acting senior pastor at New Life Church stated in an e-mail to church members.


“He has willingly and humbly submitted to the authority of the board of overseers, and will remain on administrative leave during the course of the investigation,” the e-mail stated. A copy was obtained by KMGH-TV in Denver.


Haggard, who has been called one of the most influential evangelical Christians in the nation, denied the allegations late Wednesday, telling NBC affiliate KUSA-TV of Denver: “I've never had a gay relationship with anybody, and I’m steady with my wife, I’m faithful to my wife. So I don't know if this is election year politics ... or what it is.”



Alleged voice mails
Jones provided to KUSA-TV what he said were voice mails from Haggard. The station had University of Colorado expert Richard Sanders compare them to its earlier interview of Haggard.


“It certainly sounds like the same person,” Sanders said, adding that he expected to have a final report later Friday.


KUSA-TV reported excerpts late Thursday.


“Hi Mike, this is Art,” one call began. “Hey, I was just calling to see if we could get any more. Either $100 or $200 supply.”


A second message, left a few hours later, began: “Hi Mike, this is Art, I am here in Denver and sorry that I missed you. But as I said, if you want to go ahead and get the stuff, then that would be great. And I’ll get it sometime next week or the week after or whenever.”


Jones said Haggard, whose middle name is Art, was referring to methamphetamine. “There’s some stuff on there (the voice mails) that’s pretty damning,” he said.


Jones said he also has an envelope he said Haggard used to mail him cash.


Denver police said in a news release they planned to contact the people involved for information on whether a crime was committed. The statement did not say whether an investigation was under way, and police spokeswoman Virginia Quinones declined to elaborate.

Lynn Kimbrough, a spokeswoman for the district attorney’s office, said that a public admission isn’t enough by itself to bring a case, but that charges will be filed if criminal conduct can be proved.



Gay marriage on state ballot
The allegations come as voters in Colorado and seven other states get ready to decide Tuesday on amendments banning gay marriage. Besides the proposed ban on the Colorado ballot, a separate measure would establish the legality of domestic partnerships providing same-sex couples with many of the rights of married couples.


Jones told The Associated Press he decided to go public with his allegations because of the political fight. Jones, who said he is gay, said he was upset when he discovered Haggard and the New Life Church had publicly opposed same-sex marriage.


“It made me angry that here’s someone preaching about gay marriage and going behind the scenes having gay sex,” said Jones, who added that he isn’t working for any political group.


Jones, whose allegations were first aired on KHOW-AM radio in Denver, claimed Haggard paid him to have sex nearly every month over three years. Jones also said Haggard snorted methamphetamine before their sexual encounters to heighten his experience.


Jones said he had advertised himself as an escort on the Internet and that a man who called himself Art contacted him. Jones said he later saw the man on television identified as Haggard.


He said that he last had sex with Haggard in August and that he did not warn him before making his allegations this week.


Haggard was appointed president of the evangelicals association in March 2003. He has participated in conservative Christian leaders’ conference calls with White House staffers and lobbied members of Congress last year on U.S. Supreme Court appointees after Sandra Day O’Connor announced her retirement.


After Massachusetts legalized gay marriage in 2004, Haggard and others began organizing state-by-state opposition. Last year, Haggard and officials from the nearby Christian ministry Focus on the Family announced plans to push Colorado’s gay marriage ban for the 2006 ballot.



At the time, Haggard said that he believed marriage is a union between a man and woman rooted in centuries of tradition, and that research shows it’s the best family unit for children.


“Homosexual activity, like adulterous relationships, is clearly condemned in the Scriptures,” the evangelicals association says on its Web site. The Bible says homosexuality is a sin that “brings grave consequences in this life and excludes one from the Kingdom of God.”


Haggard’s resignation from the NAE seems unlikely to do lasting damage to the organization, an umbrella group for a diverse and independent-minded membership. At his own church, Haggard’s decision to step aside — if it became permanent — would have a more profound effect.


“One would hope and pray that this matter would be resolved expeditiously and quickly and he can be restored back to being the pastor of the church and the leader of the NAE,” said Michael Cromartie, vice president of the Ethics and Public Policy Center, a conservative Washington think tank.


‘That’s not Ted’
New Life Church member Brooks DeMio, 44, said he thinks Jones is a liar and can’t believe Haggard would engage in sex with a man.


“He loves the Lord, homosexuality is a sin and that’s not Ted,” DeMio said. “His desire is to serve other people and uphold the word of God. ... I don’t know him well enough to give a complete character description, but I know him enough to know it’s not true.”


Carolyn Haggard, spokeswoman for the New Life Church and the pastor’s niece, said a four-member church panel will investigate the allegations. The board has the authority to discipline Haggard, including removing him from ministry work.


“This is really routine when any sort of situation like this arises, so we’re prepared,” Carolyn Haggard said. “The church is going to continue to serve and be welcoming to our community. That’s a priority.”


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Ok, so I call Bull shit on this guy. He first off, just *steps down* as it breaks, and denies it all.


then he says well......I bought, but didnt do the drugs, and had a massage. (indicate one)


bull shit home boy.


If the guys has MANY voice mails, and others have heard, they have done a voice annaliace to prove it was you, that shows me there was more then one encounter, and there was more then one buy.


 


Yes I am christian, I go to a huge, well know church and I amgratefull that the leader of my church is able to stay out of this mess, just as his father was.


Tell the truth, step a side and dont take the whole church with you.


your the one,...just like swaggert, bakker and ....let me shut up/.



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I have been reading about that and was a little angry and a bit embarrassed to be in the same faith category as him. It is so sad that one spoiled apple makes the whole bunch seem bad.


I prayed that he would be lead to tell the truth, no matter how awful it is. It is looking pretty bad with all the lies.


I guess the escort involved was waiting just for the right time to strike and tell his juicy tale. It would have been revealed eventually, I guess. still dont know if the sex part is true, though.


Some volunteer at a Christian church over here has recently been accused of molesting a boy.....a man people trusted with their child...a lot of crazy stuff is going on over here with people I know and just people in general. I dont know who I can trust anymore....CRAP!


 



-- Edited by Bread Styx at 13:33, 2006-11-04

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Bread, the escourt said that he got "anger" when he heard this guy slaming the same sex marriage bill in CO.


He said he only knew him as "art" (his middle name) and that this is the ONLY reason he came out now. He saw him on tv some time back.


I dont buy that, just like I dont buy them NOT having sex, and its only ONE encounter.


 


 


but we think alot alike.



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We will see what happens..its difficult not to be judging of anyone in this matter.  

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Bread Styx wrote:

We will see what happens..its difficult not to be judging of anyone in this matter.  

No is it not.  He is a hypocrite, a liar, and at least bisexual.  How come all of these high all mighty preachers fall from the pulpit over cock and drugs?  Because they are no better then the people they stand up there and cast judgement over.  Say all you want that they don't, but Christians in general are a hateful, mean spirited group of people, especially the radicals.  If you don't believe what they believe then you are the worst thing since.... well the devil. 

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Christians in general are a hateful, mean spirited group of people

I'm sorry to say this, and present company excepted of course, but in my personal experience I have found this to be true.


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UPDATE    ****    UPDATE   ****    UPDATE    ****    UPDATE



 
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COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. - Saying that he was a “deceiver and liar” who had given in to his dark side, the Rev. Ted Haggard confessed to sexual immorality Sunday in a letter read from the pulpit of the megachurch he founded.


The disgraced former president of the National Evangelical Association, which represents 30 million evangelical Christians, apologized and said “because of pride, I began deceiving those I love the most because I didn’t want to hurt or disappoint them.”


“The fact is I am guilty of sexual immorality. And I take responsibility for the entire problem. I am a deceiver and a liar. There’s a part of my life that is so repulsive and dark that I have been warring against it for all of my adult life,” he said.


Haggard, 50, resigned last week as NEA president, where he held sway in Washington and condemned homosexuality, after a man claimed to have had drug-fueled homosexual trysts with him. Haggard also placed himself on administrative leave from the 14,000-member New Life Church, which he founded in the 1980s. Its independent Overseer Board fired him Saturday.


The letter was read to the New Life Church by another clergyman, the Rev. Larry Stockstill, senior pastor of Bethany World Prayer Center in Baker, La., and a member of the board that fired him. Neither Haggard nor his wife, Gayle, attended.


In his letter, Haggard said “the accusations made against me are not all true but enough of them are that I was appropriately removed from his church leadership position.”


He did not give details on which accusations were true. Haggard had acknowledged on Friday that he paid Mike Jones of Denver for a massage and for methamphetamine, but said he did not have sex with him and did not take the drug.


The Overseer Board, made up clergy from various churches, used stronger language.


“Our investigation and Pastor Haggard’s public statements have proven without a doubt that he has committed sexually immoral conduct,” the board said in a statement.


At the New Life church, youngsters were sent from the room before elders began discussing the church crisis.


“Worshippers are always challenged by crisis. And when tragedy and crisis strikes it is at that moment that you truly decide if you are a worshipper of the most high god. And today as the worship pastor of this church I am very proud of you,” said the Rev. Ross Parsley, who has replaced Haggard.


Ryan Price and his fiancee, Karen Geyer, were impressed. “It seemed genuine — from the heart. It’s unfortunate but it happens,” said Geyer.


“He’s reaching out and asking for forgiveness,” said Price.


Jones, who said he is gay, said he was upset when he discovered who Haggard was and that New Life opposed same-sex marriage — a key issue in Colorado, with a pair of issues on Tuesday’s ballot.


“I am sad for him and his family. I know this is a tough day for him also,” he said in a telephone interview Sunday. “I wish him well. I wish his family well. My intent was never to destroy his family. My intent was to expose a hypocrite.”


The scandal has disappointed Christian conservatives, whom President Bush and other Republicans are courting heavily in the run-up to Tuesday’s election.


Many were already disheartened with the president and the Republican-controlled Congress over their failure to deliver big gains on social issues even before the congressional page scandal involving former Rep. Mark Foley.


Haggard, who had been NEA president since 2003, has participated in conference calls with White House staffers and lobbied Congress last year on Supreme Court nominees.


 


Well......  Isn't that something.



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Bread Styx wrote:

We will see what happens..its difficult not to be judging of anyone in this matter.  

No is it not.  He is a hypocrite, a liar, and at least bisexual.  How come all of these high all mighty preachers fall from the pulpit over cock and drugs?  Because they are no better then the people they stand up there and cast judgement over.  Say all you want that they don't, but Christians in general are a hateful, mean spirited group of people, especially the radicals.  If you don't believe what they believe then you are the worst thing since.... well the devil. 


I have to agree with you there. I am a Christian, although not a very good one, but I pretty much refuse to set foot in a church anymore because of the two-faced nature of the majority. The hypocrisy of these self-proclaimed Christians does exist in one faith, but in all, and worse in some than others. I'm certain those who have read my posts here and on O.com are very well aware of my disgust for the Baptist and Catholic church as organizations. It's really pathetic how people use their religious beliefs to run others into the ground.

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USofAcop wrote:



Bread Styx wrote:



We will see what happens..its difficult not to be judging of anyone in this matter.  



No is it not.  He is a hypocrite, a liar, and at least bisexual.  How come all of these high all mighty preachers fall from the pulpit over cock and drugs?  Because they are no better then the people they stand up there and cast judgement over.  Say all you want that they don't, but Christians in general are a hateful, mean spirited group of people, especially the radicals.  If you don't believe what they believe then you are the worst thing since.... well the devil. 





I have to agree with you there. I am a Christian, although not a very good one, but I pretty much refuse to set foot in a church anymore because of the two-faced nature of the majority. The hypocrisy of these self-proclaimed Christians does exist in one faith, but in all, and worse in some than others. I'm certain those who have read my posts here and on O.com are very well aware of my disgust for the Baptist and Catholic church as organizations. It's really pathetic how people use their religious beliefs to run others into the ground.



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Well, at least you guys have reasons to hate. Some don't even have that. :)

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Well, at least you guys have reasons to hate. Some don't even have that. :)

Explain?

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eltsacon wrote:

Well, at least you guys have reasons to hate. Some don't even have that. :)

Explain?


Hummmmmmmm, do you really want to go there?


 



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Good answer, e-con.


I am turning the other cheek.



-- Edited by Bread Styx at 09:17, 2006-11-06

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eltsacon wrote:

Well, at least you guys have reasons to hate. Some don't even have that. :)

Explain?


Hummmmmmmm, do you really want to go there?


 





Yes.



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Good answer, e-con.


I am turning the other cheek.



-- Edited by Bread Styx at 09:17, 2006-11-06

Come on, you can be judgemental like the rest.  I know you can do it!

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Boo!!

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Mrs Straight UP wrote:


Boo!!


Boo what?  If you have an opinion, stand up and speak!



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Good answer, e-con.


I am turning the other cheek.



-- Edited by Bread Styx at 09:17, 2006-11-06

Come on, you can be judgemental like the rest.  I know you can do it!


Honestly, I dont have the energy to be judgemental..Surprise. You know I feel bad if I cant sass back at you.


 



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Good answer, e-con.


I am turning the other cheek.



-- Edited by Bread Styx at 09:17, 2006-11-06

Come on, you can be judgemental like the rest.  I know you can do it!


Honestly, I dont have the energy to be judgemental..Surprise. You know I feel bad if I cant sass back at you.


 





 


Poor bread.    XOXOXO, hope you fell better.



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Bread Styx wrote:


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Good answer, e-con.


I am turning the other cheek.



-- Edited by Bread Styx at 09:17, 2006-11-06

Come on, you can be judgemental like the rest.  I know you can do it!


Honestly, I dont have the energy to be judgemental..Surprise. You know I feel bad if I cant sass back at you.


 






 


Poor bread.    XOXOXO, hope you fell better.



XOXOXO back at ya! Thanks.... I see the doc tomorrow 

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eltsacon wrote:


USofAcop wrote:


eltsacon wrote:

Well, at least you guys have reasons to hate. Some don't even have that. :)

Explain?


Hummmmmmmm, do you really want to go there?


 






Yes.




Ok,,,,,,,, it has been my experience that many people hate, or have negative opinions about church/god/religion because of reasons they don’t even know. As a matter of fact I have run into many who hate the concept and never have even dealt with it in any way and mostly just shoot off their mouth the shit they heard someone else say with passion……… So, I take anti church/god/religion arguments with a grain of salt!


 


… … … Kinda like, a idiot Christian that stands up in a middle of a room and yells, “you have sin in your heart, and are all going to go to hell and burn forever!”. They are two sides of a worthless coin!. And by that I mean, they take an extreme case of a ideology and bend it in such a way that the only progress their actions cause, is regression. And thus, paints a “off” picture for the rest of the “sheep population” to live by. (Note: This argument still is related to both sides of the coin).


 


:)  DING!



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eltsacon wrote:


USofAcop wrote:


eltsacon wrote:

Well, at least you guys have reasons to hate. Some don't even have that. :)

Explain?


Hummmmmmmm, do you really want to go there?


 






Yes.




Ok,,,,,,,, it has been my experience that many people hate, or have negative opinions about church/god/religion because of reasons they don’t even know. As a matter of fact I have run into many who hate the concept and never have even dealt with it in any way and mostly just shoot off their mouth the shit they heard someone else say with passion……… So, I take anti church/god/religion arguments with a grain of salt!


 


… … … Kinda like, a idiot Christian that stands up in a middle of a room and yells, “you have sin in your heart, and are all going to go to hell and burn forever!”. They are two sides of a worthless coin!. And by that I mean, they take an extreme case of a ideology and bend it in such a way that the only progress their actions cause, is regression. And thus, paints a “off” picture for the rest of the “sheep population” to live by. (Note: This argument still is related to both sides of the coin).


 


:)  DING!





Same thing I said, different words.



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eltsacon wrote:


USofAcop wrote:


eltsacon wrote:


USofAcop wrote:


eltsacon wrote:

Well, at least you guys have reasons to hate. Some don't even have that. :)

Explain?


Hummmmmmmm, do you really want to go there?


 






Yes.




Ok,,,,,,,, it has been my experience that many people hate, or have negative opinions about church/god/religion because of reasons they don’t even know. As a matter of fact I have run into many who hate the concept and never have even dealt with it in any way and mostly just shoot off their mouth the shit they heard someone else say with passion……… So, I take anti church/god/religion arguments with a grain of salt!


 


… … … Kinda like, a idiot Christian that stands up in a middle of a room and yells, “you have sin in your heart, and are all going to go to hell and burn forever!”. They are two sides of a worthless coin!. And by that I mean, they take an extreme case of a ideology and bend it in such a way that the only progress their actions cause, is regression. And thus, paints a “off” picture for the rest of the “sheep population” to live by. (Note: This argument still is related to both sides of the coin).


 


:)  DING!






Same thing I said, different words.




Yes, but you sound a bit more like the radical "Damn you to hell while I sin until I die" kind of Christian you dislike. E-con sound a bit more level-headed. (Oh boy.....what did i just say)



-- Edited by Bread Styx at 18:28, 2006-11-08

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What's so bad about snorting meth and getting your fuck on?

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What's so bad about snorting meth and getting your fuck on?


Nothing if you dont do it and then turn around and condemn others who do the same thing.....then pretend you are innocent in God's eyes because you know more about the Bible than most or think you do.....Yes, I am judging. I am human. 


 


I would have more respect for him if he had admitted he was wrong from the start or even if he confessed before this guy even came out with the truth.


 


It really Chaps my ass when people I am supposed to look up to and use as a mentor do things like this.....


I am done....



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